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	<title>Comments on: Extra-curriculars vs. Youth Group</title>
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		<title>By: BJ</title>
		<link>http://deepnwide.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/extra-curriculars-vs-youth-group/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your line of thinking Jason.  I remember talking with other leaders on more than one occasion that are struggling with extra curricular activities.  The hardest thing for me is to hear the sound of hopelessness that comes from their voice.  &quot;I cant make them come&quot; or &quot;I have no control, its up to the parents.&quot; Worse yet I have even &quot;I would go to the football game too, sports are important too you know&quot;   The sound of defeat.  The sound of misplaced priorities.

I cannot help but see the flip side of the coin.  I also know of a lot of youth groups (yes groups not ministries) that are entertainment driven rather than Christ focused.  Where the Truth of Jesus Christ as written in the Scriptures is not proclaimed boldly if at all.  Where students come to build relationships and are encouraged to make &quot;good choices&#039; and to &quot;live right.&quot;  Youth groups that have lost their first love.

These groups are not making an impact and are loosing ground.  Survey and study after study are showing that &quot;church going&quot; or &quot;Christian&quot; students are not living their lives differently other students.   Compare Suicide rates, teenage sexual activity and promiscuity, cheating on tests... the list goes on and you may be surprised.  If youth group is about making good choices, relationships, team building, character building and service, I would much rather send my kids to the Boy Scouts of America they will do a much better job.  

Time and time again youth groups and churches try to compete.  Maybe they want to have better music, better games, better coffee, better speakers, better service, better community, better... 
A business professor once told me &quot;know what business you are in!&#039; and to that I would say.
Leave the music to the musicians, the game to the Pro&#039;s, leave the coffee to Starbucks and the speakers to the politicians and poets.  Leave the service to the scouts and the community HOA and rec center. l

Know what business you are in, and be in the business of Jesus Christ.  If you are not everyone else will just leave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your line of thinking Jason.  I remember talking with other leaders on more than one occasion that are struggling with extra curricular activities.  The hardest thing for me is to hear the sound of hopelessness that comes from their voice.  &#8220;I cant make them come&#8221; or &#8220;I have no control, its up to the parents.&#8221; Worse yet I have even &#8220;I would go to the football game too, sports are important too you know&#8221;   The sound of defeat.  The sound of misplaced priorities.</p>
<p>I cannot help but see the flip side of the coin.  I also know of a lot of youth groups (yes groups not ministries) that are entertainment driven rather than Christ focused.  Where the Truth of Jesus Christ as written in the Scriptures is not proclaimed boldly if at all.  Where students come to build relationships and are encouraged to make &#8220;good choices&#8217; and to &#8220;live right.&#8221;  Youth groups that have lost their first love.</p>
<p>These groups are not making an impact and are loosing ground.  Survey and study after study are showing that &#8220;church going&#8221; or &#8220;Christian&#8221; students are not living their lives differently other students.   Compare Suicide rates, teenage sexual activity and promiscuity, cheating on tests&#8230; the list goes on and you may be surprised.  If youth group is about making good choices, relationships, team building, character building and service, I would much rather send my kids to the Boy Scouts of America they will do a much better job.  </p>
<p>Time and time again youth groups and churches try to compete.  Maybe they want to have better music, better games, better coffee, better speakers, better service, better community, better&#8230;<br />
A business professor once told me &#8220;know what business you are in!&#8217; and to that I would say.<br />
Leave the music to the musicians, the game to the Pro&#8217;s, leave the coffee to Starbucks and the speakers to the politicians and poets.  Leave the service to the scouts and the community HOA and rec center. l</p>
<p>Know what business you are in, and be in the business of Jesus Christ.  If you are not everyone else will just leave</p>
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		<title>By: fordiym</title>
		<link>http://deepnwide.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/extra-curriculars-vs-youth-group/#comment-9</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen bro! Thanks for your thoughts. I agree...we are in a battle, and Satan can use whatever he wants to distract our teens from knowing the Truth. Today one of those distractions is...extra-curricular activities. Sadly though many don&#039;t see &quot;distractions&quot; as a tool Satan would use to keep our teens, anyone for that matter, from knowing the truth. I love what you said at the end of your post; &quot;the competition isn&#039;t what matter.&quot; Youth workers should not look at this issue as &quot;needing to compete with extra-curricular activities.&quot; Youth workers need to see it as a &quot;fight for the lives and souls for students all around you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen bro! Thanks for your thoughts. I agree&#8230;we are in a battle, and Satan can use whatever he wants to distract our teens from knowing the Truth. Today one of those distractions is&#8230;extra-curricular activities. Sadly though many don&#8217;t see &#8220;distractions&#8221; as a tool Satan would use to keep our teens, anyone for that matter, from knowing the truth. I love what you said at the end of your post; &#8220;the competition isn&#8217;t what matter.&#8221; Youth workers should not look at this issue as &#8220;needing to compete with extra-curricular activities.&#8221; Youth workers need to see it as a &#8220;fight for the lives and souls for students all around you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sports News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Extra-curriculars vs. Youth Group</title>
		<link>http://deepnwide.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/extra-curriculars-vs-youth-group/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Sports News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Extra-curriculars vs. Youth Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Deep &amp; Wide added an interesting post today on Extra-curriculars vs. Youth GroupHere&#8217;s a small reading First of all, I am not opposed to sports activities, academic clubs, social justice causes, Boy Scouts, or the like&#8230;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Deep &amp; Wide added an interesting post today on Extra-curriculars vs. Youth GroupHere&#8217;s a small reading First of all, I am not opposed to sports activities, academic clubs, social justice causes, Boy Scouts, or the like&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Schmoyer</title>
		<link>http://deepnwide.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/extra-curriculars-vs-youth-group/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Schmoyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts in the conversation yesterday afternoon! And for your thoughts here, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts in the conversation yesterday afternoon! And for your thoughts here, too.</p>
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